Maplesoft: If You Touch Math... You Need Maple, Or, 2 lost graphic files at the main Maplesoft's

Discussion in 'Recreational Math' started by Vladimir Bondarenko, May 26, 2005.

  1. Hi Maple 10 potential customers all over the world,

    How much one can trust Maplesoft if we speak of
    sophisticated math stuff, streamlined development
    process, quality assurance management?

    Just a non-math observation (the math ones are coming).

    Well, these folks seem to be too busy with Maple 10
    rave advertizing and do not see that during more than
    1 hour already (at least) at these pages (at least)
    as of May 26, 2005, at the moment I am posting

    1)

    http://www.maplesoft.com/maple10/?p=m10-01-pro

    2)

    http://www.maplesoft.com/products/maple/demo/index.aspx

    a monumental-size graphic file just below the slogan,
    in brownish,

    If You Touch Math... You Need Maple

    is not acccessible. (1) looks superb)

    So the flabbergasted visitor observes just a small red
    cross in the left upper corner instead of the concieved
    by Maplesoft grandeur of Maple 10.

    Isn't this emblematic on account of level of reliability
    offered by Maplesoft'2005?

    Now realize, developing Maple is a far much tougher challenge.


    If You Touch Math... You Need Maple?

    Vladimir Bondarenko

    GEMM architect
    Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director
    Cyber Tester, LLC
    13 Dekabristov Str, Simferopol
    Crimea 95000, Ukraine

    tel: +38-(0652)-447325
    tel: +38-(0652)-230243
    tel: +38-(0652)-523144
    fax: +38-(0652)-510700

    http://www.cybertester.com/
    http://maple.bug-list.org/
    http://www.CAS-testing.org/
     
    Vladimir Bondarenko, May 26, 2005
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  2. Vladimir Bondarenko

    RockyLake Guest

    VB:

    Your vindictive streak appears to have led you astray, again. I was at
    the pages you assert do not display properly last week and they
    displayed just fine. I went there again about 20 minutes after your
    posting appeared and they were, again, fine.

    Your posting clearly demonstrates that you wish to persuade others from
    purchasing or even considering using Maple 10, and Maple in general.
    Why is it that you seem unable to believe that some people not only use
    the product but are quite happy with it and willing to tolerate its
    inadequacies because its strengths greatly outweigh the product's
    weaknesses.

    Your ability to demonstrate that software has bugs evidently brings you
    great self-satisfaction. If you pursued that path constructively you
    would be doing a service. Your destructive bent has been making your
    work increasingly inconsequential. This posting where you reach out
    and pick a nit with a web-site and extend that to an entire product is
    an example of the pettiness with which you are making your otherwise
    good name synonymous.

    Your approach of shouting, "Ah ha, another software bug!" is not a path
    to glory, or even to mundane achievement. Those of us who were
    involved in software when memory was referred to as "core" because it
    was and have been participating in and observing the advances in
    computers and software are particularly unimpressed with your
    inflammatory pettiness.

    One of the virtues of language is the richness of figures of speech.
    Your native tongue is rich with them. One of the tame ones from where
    I grew up that comes to mind when I see your postings is, "Bee in the
    bonnet" as in "V.B. sure has a bee in his bonnet!" You certainly have
    managed to work yourself into quite a lather (as in horses that have
    been ridden hard) over what appears to be some indignity that you have
    suffered. Your self-induced lather is causing you to become a laughing
    stock.

    I put out a couple of responses to you before suggesting how you could
    change your approach and become a positive force because I think that a
    person of your intelligence and fortitude has much to offer. Again, I
    urge you to rethink your approach before your good name becomes reviled
    and ridiculed because of your boorish manners.
     
    RockyLake, May 26, 2005
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  3. Thur,May 26 2005 1:39 pm

    RL> Your vindictive streak appears to have led you astray, again.
    RL> I was at the pages you assert do not display properly last week
    RL> and they displayed just fine. I went there again about 20
    RL> minutes after your posting appeared and they were, again, fine.

    I just visited thre same links. Again, the pictures are absent.
    But a day or 2 ago I saw them. Sure, I reloaded (and you?
    maybe you used cached stuff?)

    As for the rest, the only I can claim is that it seems up to now
    nobody of general public realize the sweep of bugginess of Maple.

    Which I am going to fix via maximal exposure a new layer of
    Maple bug results.


    Best wishes,

    Vladimir Bondarenko

    GEMM architect
    Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director
    Cyber Tester, LLC
    13 Dekabristov Str, Simferopol
    Crimea 95000, Ukraine

    tel: +38-(0652)-447325
    tel: +38-(0652)-230243
    tel: +38-(0652)-523144
    fax: +38-(0652)-510700

    http://www.cybertester.com/
    http://maple.bug-list.org/
    http://www.CAS-testing.org/
     
    Vladimir Bondarenko, May 26, 2005
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  4. Vladimir Bondarenko

    RockyLake Guest

    As stupid as this thread between us is, I went there just now and used
    both IE and Netscape 7.1 and both pages loaded fine. They are not
    loading from cache. Perhaps there is a problem at your end?
     
    RockyLake, May 26, 2005
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  5. Vladimir Bondarenko

    MathCalc Guest

  6. Vladimir Bondarenko

    harald.pleym Guest

    The greatest problem is Vladimir Bondarenko himself.
    I am more than fed up with all his stupid postings.

    Harald Pleym
    www.hpleym.no
     
    harald.pleym, May 27, 2005
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  7. RockyLake wrote:

    RL> As stupid as this thread between us is, I went there just
    RL> now and used both IE and Netscape 7.1 and both pages loaded
    RL> fine. They are not loading from cache. Perhaps there is
    RL> a problem at your end?


    Yes, you are right.

    Actually, I went to visit my parents in a tiny town and was
    writing about the links from an Internet cafe with 4 computers
    only. Surprisingly, with a specific computer, the problem is
    still here, after these days, and persists despite all my
    efforts (rebooting, cache cleaning etc)

    But all is OK on a computer next to me.

    The most funny point is that before the posting, sure, as
    an experienced QA, I had an idea to check the links from
    1-2 machines near me.

    But that time, when I looked over the caffee, the folks over
    there were focused so much at their stuff that I had not enough
    chutzpah to ask them to give me a couple of minutes to validate
    my results 8-(


    By the way, my link fault shows how fallible human based
    software testing is. How it is biased and unobjective.

    At times, a psychological issue could result in a false start.


    Coming back to my claims about the sweep of Maple bugs, let me
    quote Mr Igor Khavkine :)

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/msg/38ee80e6f0e24178?hl=en


    IK> Damn, you're right! I really should be more careful with
    IK> sweeping statements like that. Anyway, I think the above
    IK> series is still good asymptotically as z -> oo. And that's
    IK> good enough to get the limit.


    Alas, there are dozens thousands distinct bug manifestations
    in Maple 9.5.2.
     
    Vladimir Bondarenko, May 28, 2005
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  8. (Harald Pleym) wrote on Sun,Dec 28 2003 1:48 pm

    Subject: Re: euler(0,1) shows Maple bugs are really ubiquitous
    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.math.maple/msg/9900bc5feec3c29c?hl=en

    HP> Maplesoft still ignore all feedbacks from users, I think Maple
    HP> will be off the market in few years.

    Alas, I fully agree with you here.

    [...]

    HP> Sorry to say, but I think Maplesofts days are numbered.

    And here, too. Provided, these folks will not get serious about
    Maple development, about making it at last streamlined, and
    thinking more about quality and user's comfort, not just about
    packing the pockets. Adding nice graphics and facilities are much
    appreciated, as soon as solid efforts are made about fixing the
    bugs. Which over the last decade was not the case.


    Harald Pleym writes on Fri,May 27 2005 4:32 pm

    HP> The greatest problem is Vladimir Bondarenko himself.

    My viewpoint differs a bit: The greatest problem is Maplesoft's
    attitude to bug fixing when thousands bugs are not fixed over many
    many years. Even when reported publicly!

    As a Maplesoft customer, I have an absolute right to make each and
    every effort possible to change the current status quo - turning,
    step by step, a packed with bugs Maple into a powerful graphic
    editor / publishing application.

    If you would like this, more explanation is here

    http://groups-beta.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/msg/54371e38f43d7e0c?hl=en


    HP> I am more than fed up with all his stupid postings.

    Not everyone is so clever, polite and QA-experienced like you.

    Anyway, why martyr yourself with reading my postings?
    Please just kindly ignore them, that's all there is to it.


    Best wishes,

    Vladimir Bondarenko
    GEMM architect
    Co-founder, CEO, Mathematical Director
    Cyber Tester, LLC
    13 Dekabristov Str, Simferopol
    Crimea 95000, Ukraine

    tel: +38-(0652)-447325
    tel: +38-(0652)-230243
    tel: +38-(0652)-523144
    fax: +38-(0652)-510700

    http://www.cybertester.com/
    http://maple.bug-list.org/
    http://www.CAS-testing.org/
     
    Vladimir Bondarenko, May 28, 2005
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  9. Vladimir Bondarenko

    harald.pleym Guest

    Anyway, why martyr yourself with reading my postings?
    Yes, Vladimir, you are quite right.

    Harald Pleym
    www.hpleym.no
     
    harald.pleym, May 28, 2005
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