Square Root Part 2

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    Why do we get a positive and negative answer when taking the square root of a number?

    Sample:

    sqrt{81} = - 9 and 9.

    Why?
     
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    because (-9)^2=81 and (9)^2=81
     
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    I see. Any number squared yields a positive answer.
     
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    We DON'T!

    In order that "square root" be a function, it must give a single value for each x. While it is true that both 4^2 and (-4)^2 are 16, the square root of 16 is 4.

    The solution to the equation x^2= 7 is x= \pm sqrt(7). The reason we need to write "pm" is because sqrt(7) alone is only the positive solution.
     
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    Usually, the use of the symbol denotes the positive root, so √9=+3 (for example).
    If you have an equation such as x^2=9 however, you are presumably interested in finding all possible solutions.
    In that case, both the positive and the negative roots work, and both ±√9=±3.
     
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    When we take the square root, there is a positive and negative answer. When the square is given to us like y = sqrt{x^2}, the answer is typically a positive value.

    When we come across, for example, x^2 = 16 in some calculation, we MUST take the square root rendering two answers: a positive and negative value.

    You say?
     
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    I say we don't HAVE TO take the square root!
    To solve x^2= 16, write it as x^2- 16= (x- 4)(x+ 4)= 0. Either x- 4= 0 so x= 4 or x+ 4= 0 so x= -4.
     
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    I said what Professor Leonard has repeatedly stated on You Tube.
     
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    Did he actually use, and emphasize, the word "must" in ''we MUST take the square root"? That was what I was taking exception to. There are other ways to solve such equations that are equivalent to taking the square root.
     
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    Your username is familiar to me. Do you also participate in other forums? I understood Professor Leonard to say the following:

    1. If you come across a square root problem, for example, sqrt{9}, the answer is 3.

    2. When facing a problem, say, x^2 = 9, and the student decides to take the square root on both sides, the answer is x = -3 or x = 3.

    You say?
     
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    I understood Professor Leonard to say the following:

    1. If you come across a square root problem, for example, sqrt{9}, the answer is 3.

    2. When facing a problem, say, x^2 = 9, and the student decides to take the square root on both sides, the answer is x = -3 or x = 3.

    You say?
     
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    So If you take the square root of a '9' you always get a '3' back. What you don't know is whether that '3' was originally a '-3' or a '+3'.
     
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    In that case, should the answer be |3|?
     
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    No! |3| is just 3. The solution to x^2= 9 would be written +/- 3 or as the set { 3, -3}.
     
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    Thank you for your input. I will search for the video where Professor Leonard explains taking a square root in more detail. Now, heading to work.
     
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    Thank you for your input. I will search for the video where Professor Leonard explains taking a square root in more detail. Now, heading to work.
     
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    Yes, the "square root of a" is DEFINED as the POSITIVE number, x, such that x^2= a. That was what I said before.

    "and the student decides to take the square root of both sides" (emphasis mine). There is nothing there that says the student MUST take the square root.

     
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    Let me find the video where Professor Leonard explains taking the square root.
     
    nycmathguy, Jan 12, 2022
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